Mr. X
2 years ago
Mike the Friendican is now friends with Daniel Martí


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Mr. X
2 years ago
Mr. X
2 years ago
Needs a lot of work. Really, huge amounts of work.

the Friendica Project • because somebody has to stand up for the people of the internet
        The Friendica Project provides decentralised social network software and tools for the "free web". Our networks are resistant to privacy invasions, monitoring, political and religious censorship, and the rising use of personal information for marketing purposes. The continued assault on personal privacy by Facebook, Google, and others is UNACCEPTABLE...
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Paolo Pa
2 years ago
I can't wait to run my own red server. Besides, "red" fits very well in front of any domain, isn't it? Like red.tarine.net or red.anything.com
Mr. X
2 years ago
Dear lazyweb - there was a good response to the recent request to help us build Red. Good enough that we can proceed to move the fixed project resources to a dedicate website and away from troublesome shared hosting.

This would consist of our information cms at friendica.com,  the bug tracker at bugs.friendica.com, and the global directory at dir.friendica.com. It may eventually support a "testdrive" Red site.

We will be modernising each of these to showcase what Red is and how it fits into the bigger picture. 

The question is - which VPS providers are affordable and reliable and a good track record?  These websites don't use huge amounts of resources, but obviously we would like something that can scale up if required. Bonus points if we can sign up with Paypal - as international bank accounts and currency exchange can be problematic.
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Mr. X
2 years ago
No worries - now I know. There are plenty of other ways to forge meaningful alliances.

However, we're all united behind an free and open Internet.


This could in fact be where the magic happens. I just signed up the project.
Mr. X
2 years ago
I looked there first... My reading of the page left me with a slightly different image of what was available than that offered by Jamie. We all look at such things with different filters applied.
Mr. X
2 years ago
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Michael
2 years ago
RED

:)
Mr. X
2 years ago
OK, your Red is sexier. No question.
Mr. X
2 years ago
Mike the Friendican is now friends with Michael Meer


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Mr. X
2 years ago
This is a bit of an improvement...

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And clicking "advanced" opens to this:



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Just working on the high-level "structure" at the moment and using old theme code. It's going to look a whole lot different when it's all done.
Mr. X
2 years ago
Mike the Friendican is now friends with Carlos Solís


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Mr. X
2 years ago
Mike the Friendican is now friends with AlucardX


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Mr. X
2 years ago
Here's a very early mockup of how I envision "making friends". It probably looks a lot more complicated than you're used to, but look a bit closer before you pass judgement.

You can always go with one of the "quick links" so you can just click and submit (and you're done), but just because you worked together twenty years ago doesn't mean you have to let them IM you and write stupid shit on your wall. And if all they ever do is regurgitate photos with dumb captions, your stream has an identical slider.


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Bruce Bane
2 years ago from The Free Web
Yeah, I see where you're going with the "zoom" sliders.

Right now, FB only offers EdgeRank + inbound filtering on a per contact or per list basis. And, G+ only offers inbound filtering by adjusting the slider setting of circles/lists. Neither one offers any kind of outbound filtering though.

Pinterest offers another level of inbound filtering where people can "follow" the "boards"/tags/interests of others on a per contact basis.
Mr. X
2 years ago
"Can be seen in my address book": by others who look at my contacts, right?


Yes.

"Can post to my wall via tags": That must be set for public groups, of course. Will it have an effect when set on a normal personal account? I.e. all @-mentions will send the posts to my profile page?


Yes.
Mr. X
2 years ago
Mike the Friendican is now friends with Mr. Wee Jee


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Mr. X
2 years ago
Mike the Friendican is now friends with Pablo Girollet


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Mr. X
2 years ago
My name is Mike Macgirvin. I am a software developer.
I'll get to the point.  Help us save the web.

Getting Facebook (and Google) out of our private lives is the most important technical challenge facing the web in this generation. We MUST do this, as the grip of control is reaching further and further where it doesn't belong - and the implications for the future are positively scary for humanity.

The way we must do this is to take back our personal and social communications.

I'VE ALREADY DONE THIS. I started a project two years ago to provide decentralised and distributed social communications. That project is now called Friendica. The project website is at http://friendica.com and code is at  https://github.com/friendica/friendica.

Friendica WORKS today (unlike similar projects which are still struggling at basic communications after two years, and after squandering huge amounts of money). Along the way I've asked people what they needed, I've listened to the community, and we've built an entire open development eco-system around Friendica.

It's time to take it to the next level. In order to do this, I need to devote full time to it and be able to hire a competent visual designer to help implement the vision.  The new project is called simply "Red".  Red is a social network - but at the same time it is unlike any social network that has ever existed.

Like Friendica, it can do anything that Facebook can do - except monitor, and track, and "use" all its members and their activities for marketing.

Like Friendica, Red is a completely open platform that is decentralised and distributed and will run on commodity servers, with all servers treated as equals. Like Friendica it is extensible via themes and plugins/addons. Like Friendica it will be the only distributed social service which offers strong (and non-intrusive) permission control for profiles, web pages, and photos.

But we're going a LOT further than that.

Here's what we're doing...

1. We're changing the out-dated concept of "friends" vs. "not friends".  Relationships in the real world are a continuum between "intimacy" and "total strangers". How we relate to individuals and what we share with them depends on where they fit in that spectrum. This spectrum is built into the Red experience.

2. The distributed social web suffers from the adage "only geeks run servers". We're going to change that. We've got a business model. We will get organisations and individuals to provide enough servers to support everybody on the planet because there's a profit motive. Many sites will offer free service, some will charge for extra features, such as huge numbers of friends and additional photo space. Subscription revenue will pay for running the hardware. Geeks can also run their own servers for family/friends and get it all for free.  The ability to obtain revenue and monetise the service will be built-in to the software. Whether you choose to use it is a personal (or business) choice.

Advertising on the web has gotten us into this situation. To get out of it, we have to draw a line in the sand. No advertising. No monitoring and no tracking. Our credo and reason for existence is that our customers are YOU and your PRIVACY is what we are being paid to protect.  Period.

3. We already know from building decentralised social systems that sites come and go and people move to other servers. We're building MOBILITY into the Red protocols.  You'll download your private key and address book to a thumb drive and be able to  communicate from any device or desktop, through any Red server on the planet - privately, to all your friends and associates. If you can still connect to your old server, we can get everything we need from there and you don't need to download it. Sure, you will also be able to save your posts and photo albums, but what we discovered in practice is that the most important thing about moving between server hubs is the ability to preserve your relationships.  You can pop up at any Red site at any time and still have all your friends.

4. The other thing we learned from Friendica is that one "interface" does not make everybody happy. Neither does one set of features. So along with the Red "look and feel", we are completely revamping the "theme" system to make it easy to build additional applications on top of our decentralised communications infrastructure. You can have dating sites, church social clubs, learning centers and more. You can have desktop apps and mobile/pad apps and web apps. These are all just templates you apply to our/(your) social framework. Also, these can either connect with the rest of the Red "grid", or they can be standalone and offer completely different functionality. Secure and private social communications are provided by a back-end engine, and we'll provide tools so you can build anything you wish on top of it.  We have an existing API which is already compatible with a few dozen third-party clients. We will be adding to this to provide access to our full range of privacy features.

I'm building Red today. I'm also heavily involved in Friendica and keeping it running smoothly.  But look - reality bites some times. I'm a family guy holding a day job. There isn't enough time in the day to pull this off. Everybody developing Friendica is/are volunteers.  The work ahead is monumental. If I'm doing this part time it's going to take 2-3 years.

So I'm looking for crowd funding to allow me to work on this full time. I'm a good project developer, but I also require the assistance of at least one good visual designer who can transform these ideas into a slick web interface. Visual design is something you have or you don't have, and I don't have it - so I need help.

I'd like to fund this project for my own salary and one designer and one capable server for one year - and I believe that by the end of that time we will have the means to be self-sustaining. If I can hire a couple of other people to help out, it will happen quicker. Time is of the essence. We're rapidly losing control of the web to the forces of darkness.

Everything we do is and will be published openly and you can track our progress.

I will be working with one or two crowd sourcing applications to launch an official campaign, but you can donate today - just PayPal mike@macgirvin.com and send this to a friend or three and help me get the word out.

Help us save the web.

Thank you.

Mike Macgirvin
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Giaco el vecio
2 years ago
Well, I prefer to use the little money I can donate for some food to help starving children below my house
Mr. X
2 years ago
Well, I prefer to use the little money I can donate for some food to help starving children below my house


And that is much more important. No argument from me.

F/Red did not even really need donations if there were more good devs willing and able to help, right Mike?


That may be true. As I've been saying a lot lately - it's a chicken-egg problem. I'm primarily a back-end engineer with abysmal visual design skills. In order to get more devs (and even more people) we need the stunning visuals to get them in the door. But we can't get the stunning visuals without good stunning visual devs.

The other point is that Friendica is the result of a lot of volunteers working in their spare/free time - and look at how far we've come. Open source devs come and go. There's nothing tying them to a project. We've had several come and go.

Our more efficient devs often get tied up doing other projects (that they're actually getting paid to do).

Imagine where we would be if a couple of competent devs were able to devote a full work week into this project for a year.
Mr. X
2 years ago
Mike the Friendican is now friends with Bill Fitler


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Michael
2 years ago from Friendica for Android
Welcome!
Giaco el vecio
2 years ago
Bem-vindo ;-)
Mr. X
2 years ago
Mike the Friendican is now friends with lnxwalt


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Mr. X
2 years ago
Oh yeah - Mark Zuckerberg...


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Giaco el vecio
2 years ago
\o/ :-D
Mr. X
2 years ago
Monitoring, tracking, Facebook, manipulation, friends.

Which word does not belong?


Privacy, Friendica, freedom, open-source, decentralised.

Where friends belong.
Giaco el vecio
2 years ago
@Oliver front and back for new t-shirts here ;-)
Oliver
2 years ago from Friendica mobile web
@Giaco el vecio yeah! Front and back. Cool! :-)
Mr. X
2 years ago
Mike the Friendican is now friends with Axel Tómasson


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Mr. X
2 years ago
If I can pull this off,  I'm looking at themes under Red as complete self-contained apps. Red will be the default app.  And sure you can theme it to your desire, but you can also create other apps - that is if anybody sees a need for creating apps or websites that make use of distributed social communications.

You could build a killer dating site on this platform that would leave eHarmony in the dust.

And I've got some fresh ideas about end-to-end encryption. Assuming one of these apps is a mobile app, I think we could wrap some content in  a bbcode tag

[encrypted]sddkljse;lkjw9qwepiosdkmnsmdnoqwe;dkjekj2397wekj3kjqas[/encrypted]

and be able to view it with keys that aren't available on the server. (The key would need to discoverable or sent via out-of-band methods, however).

You could use shared keys, rather than RSA (which we'll assume has been cracked). I don't care.  I don't even care what algorithm you use - if you want to use triple AES-4096 or something, that's up to you.  If one of these bbcode tags shows up, we'll hide the encrypted content from the web interface (perhaps show a lock icon), and provide a JS callback to obtain the content (encrypted). If you can decrypt it, great. If you can't - too bad.
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Thomas Willingham
2 years ago from The Free Web
Yeah.

I've been thinking about using Zot in not-Friendica.

For the sake of argument, lets say you're a shoe shop. Now, we'd sell loads more shoes if people didn't have to sign up. Imagine how many more whim purchases there'd be if people could log in and order with one click. There's OpenID, but that's crap, lets use Zot!

Right, so while we're building the shoe shop, we'll use an old fashioned sign up form, and email, and we'll add Zot later. Weeks pass. We're definitely selling stuff. Maybe we should fire the programmer now. He's talking about this Zot stuff, but it looks to me like people can already login and we can email them...

On the other hand, if a theme is an app, they could have built their shoe shop on top of Fred instead of adding Zot to their shop.

Shoe shop might not be a great example - it's certainly a boring one. Substitute it with $ArbitraryWebsiteOrService.

All I'm getting at is themes-as-apps is going to be better for adoption than zot-as-a-protocol.
Mr. X
2 years ago
If your the online shoestore could direct you to your own Zot-based site to log in once you enter your webby, that would cover all that OpenID attempts to do with a simpler, more understandable interface.


The original plan was that if you visit the link from within your stream and you're logged in to your own hub you're already authenticated. Like you do now with wall-to-wall posts but it wouldn't be restricted to "just contacts".
Mr. X
2 years ago
I'm dropping official support for Facebook federation from Friendica (effective immediately), and pushing forward with Red.

I won't remove or disable the FB connector right away, but it's officially "unsupported" as of this moment.

I'll be re-vamping the website over the coming days/weeks to showcase our many other strengths, and de-emphasise the connection to data silos.

If anybody wants to work on the FB connector and align it with the new policies, perhaps we should go back to "post over the wall" as the only "supported" mechanism - which may still be legal but you'll have to read the fine print.  If somebody wants to try and keep full integration alive, you're on your own. Be prepared to lose your FB account.
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Mr. X
2 years ago
It's not at all clear cut.

I wrote the Facebook plugin initially - and I also wrote Friendica initially which makes it somewhat of an "official" plugin.

Tobias wrote the Twitter plugin - so I personally have plausible deniability. "Somebody else did it - not me."

Friendica as a project has always been network neutral.
Tobias
2 years ago from Friendica for Android
TBH I wrote the StatusNet relais addon as I needed it at that time, changed the server for the API and fixed the character length to 140 chars.

All the stuff is tested against a "private" account on my SN instance, that it works with Twitter it is a lucky circumstance ;-)
Mr. X
2 years ago
♲ Mike Macgirvin @ Facebook


Facebook has recently changed their policies so that other social applications cannot connect with them any longer. This will be my last Facebook post. I'll either see you on the free web, or you can stay here and rot in hell.
Paco Men Zarbien
2 years ago
Bien bien bien bien....yohoo se estan rajando estos de FB tralaralara (huming). Escuse me but I'm very happy.
Mr. X
2 years ago
re: threaded comments
I like the ability to have threaded comments, but in the current implementation - it just doesn't seem to flow smoothly.

The mechanism is there, now we just have to figure out how to best present it.

Since this is a community effort - I'll weigh in with what I think are shortcomings, but leave this open for others to weigh in with pros or cons or alternatives.

One of the nice things about the Facebook interface is the "inviting" comment field. It's right there. You just click and start typing - just after the last (prior) comment. This is a low barrier to entry. It invites people to type their response.

In my (arrogant) opinion, I think we should preserve precisely this model for the top level conversation. Comments at the end, with a visible box to type in. I'm not a UI guy, but this just feels right to me.

For adding sub-comments, I think we should change the flow to what we currently have with the new thread code (a "comment" link which you click to open). However, this should again probably be at the end of the sub-thread in question - not the beginning. In this case we definitely don't want a comment textarea after every comment on the page.

So we're actually favouring a single-threaded conversation, but allowing for it to be as complex as desired.  

And if I want to see an entire conversation, I really don't want to manually open sub-level after sub-level. If there are 84 comments and sub-comments "show more" at the top level should probably open them all.

Anybody else have thoughts?


This is important because if we have different behaviour for top-level comments and secondary comments, it's entirely different code than if they were all treated the same - as they are now. It's a lot more complicated.

Ultimately these are theme decisions, but I'd like to make sure that in the code we can support the various models people expect so that theme developers can implement them.
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Domovoy
2 years ago
Well, when coding the threaded stuff, i tried the comment box at the end of the (sub)thread.

The problem i found to this is that you then have two comment box very close to each other (the sub-thread one, and the thread one), and even if they were not indented the same i found this kind of confusing about what you're commenting on (especially after some level of threads).
This is the main reason i putted the comment box on the item itself.

But actually, this may be something that could be handled by the themes (after all it comes from $item.comment, the template can put it where it wants).

IMHO, we should not differentiate top level items and children ones in the code. They are all items. You can easily know if an item is a toplevel (id = parent, or no parent).
For the behavior in themes, well we just have to make sure the template gets enough information about the items to do what they want.

So in the end, i think the code is doing the right thing, but it just lack one thing: the ability to allow the theme to change the template used.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but adding this ability is kind of getting us closer to what you're doing with themes in RED, right? (Themes gets only data, and present it as they want)

Anyway, i fully agree on the fact that we should encourage a single-threaded conversation, we just need to find the right way to do this.

About the collapse and "show more". What about a clickable "N comments" that would expand only one level, followed by a "expand all" that would expand all the sub-threads?

Still about that, but on another subject:
When you click "show more", ALL the comments are shown, which can be very annoying on an item with hundreds of comments. I mean, i clicked the "show more" just because there was more than 2 new comments, and i wanted to see them, but then i have to scroll my page all the way down to get to the comments that i'm actually interested in (or use my keyboard "end" key and scroll up, but still).

I don't have any idea on how to handle that. I think there is a need there for a good brainstorm about how to handle collapsed comments (threaded or not).
Mr. X
2 years ago
IMHO, we should not differentiate top level items and children ones in the code. They are all items. You can easily know if an item is a toplevel (id = parent, or no parent).



In fact I was proposing that the textarea only be on the top-level so we still get the low barrier to entry for comments. All items except the top-level parent would then get a "Comment" link.

I guess if you open one of these, the top-level comment box should ideally go away until you've finished typing.

We can do this in the themes (and we should do this in the themes), but we need to figure out what we need to support it. Perhaps we should add "item.level" to the template to make it easy.

So if level == 0, show a textarea at the end. if id != parent, show a "comment" link for that item.

And then some JS that says if any comment textarea is open, close or hide all the others.

The "hundreds of comments" opening is something we will probably fix in Red first and backport. It will probably take the form of ajax loading of comments, like 100 at a time - starting from the most recent; with a link to "just show me all of them".
Mr. X
2 years ago
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Bruce Bane
2 years ago
Hey, y'know what? He's absolutely right though... :-D lol

Daily Dot

Buying Twitter followers is a sin, says Saudi cleric

Buying Twitter followers has received a lot of press recently, thanks to some political heavyweights opening their wallets to build their social media footprint.

Now the practice is being called a sin.

In a recent interview with Saudi online news site Sabq, senior scholar Sheikh Abdullah called it “a lie and slander” to spend money on buying followers, Al Arabiya reported.

Abdullah’s remarks come after reports that other prominent Saudis have spent “between $70 and $270 for adding up to 10,000 new followers to a customer’s Twitter account,” Al Arabiya reported.

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has been accused of buying followers after the presidential hopeful gained more than 100,000 new fans in 24 hours. President Barack Obama, on the other hand, hasn’t “sinned,” but has been chastised for having an awful lot of fake followers.

If this all keeps up, maybe buying Twitter followers can go all the way and make it to “8th deadly sin” status.

Photo by See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
Bruce Bane
2 years ago
When investors figure out the true extent of all the bogus activity on FB & T... well, that's when it all becomes a VERY deadly sin (to the valuation of those companies). At that point, the bubble will burst. ;-)

Buying Their Way to Twitter Fame
If accurate, the number of fake followers out there is surprising. According to the StatusPeople tool, 71 percent of Lady Gaga's nearly 29 million followers are "fake" or "inactive." So are 70 percent of President Obama's nearly 19 million followers.
Mr. X
2 years ago
@Friendica Theme Developer - could you check an existing contact entry for Brent Bartlett in the theme dev forum and remove it so he can try and join again? It seems to be messed up.
Brent Bartlett
2 years ago
Thanks, Mike! It's working now!
Mr. X
2 years ago
Mike the Friendican is now friends with Mathias


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Mr. X
2 years ago
Friendica Project Update - August 2012 | friendica on Friendica

A lot is going on in the Free Social Web - and especially with the Friendica project so I thought I would take a few minutes to provide a general update.
Giaco el vecio
2 years ago
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Mr. X
2 years ago
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/diaspora-dev/1cJ-V0_bu4s

Providing this link purely for informational value. I have no comment.
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Bruce Bane
2 years ago from The Free Web
Bruce Bane
2 years ago from The Free Web
Just posted this out to post https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1849345
Apparently, the OP was cross-posted to both GG & D*. Of course, we all know what tends to happen on D*. Therefore, I can't be bothered to read those comments. So, if anyone wants to & can briefly summarize... then, by all means, be my guest. :-)
Mr. X
2 years ago

Enigma by Maria Slobodyanik on YouTube
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Olivier M.
2 years ago
I'm ashamed, but back then I discovered Carmina Burana through Enigma's "Gravity of Love".
Giaco el vecio
2 years ago
good trip ;-)
Mr. X
2 years ago
Mike the Friendican is now friends with Zavid


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Mr. X
2 years ago
Mike the Friendican is now friends with David Geiser


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Mr. X
2 years ago
Red Directory
Perhaps the easiest way to describe the Red Directory at a high level is to provide a comparison to the current Friendica Global Directory.

The Friendica Global Directory consists of two levels - a site directory, and a single Global Directory. Permissions are granted by members to appear in either or both. The Global Directory is a single instance running at dir.friendica.com, and communicates by xml messages and scraping profiles to obtain information.


The Red Directory does not have two levels. It is a single, replicated global directory which can be mirrored anywhere. It communicates and replicates using zot.


https://github.com/friendica/red/wiki/red_directory
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Thomas Willingham
2 years ago from The Free Web
Sounds good, and I'll definitely have a mirror up as soon as it's functional.

Will this be added to the existing directory code, or is that being scrapped?
Mr. X
2 years ago
Not necessarily scrapped, but like Red it's a significant rewrite.

I'm trying to put together a collection of functional specs for the vision of how Red is going to work so that I can get some extra hands involved both in designing and implementing it.

It's a huge undertaking and there's no way that I'll be able to pull it off without a whole lot of help.
Mr. X
2 years ago
The Other Model of the Universe (Are You a Child of Saturn?) on Liamscheff





Conspiracy is the Normal Continuation of Normal Politics by Normal Means
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tony baldwin
2 years ago
The video I watched on google video did a pretty good job of explaining electric theory with comets and stuff.
Tobias
2 years ago
is based on dark matter existing because nobody could explain where all the energy is in the universe. It's missing. So physicists invented a place for it to hide, and have spent the last few decades trying to make that model work.


So true. Feels like aether which was one of the neck breaker of classical physics.

Mike I totally agree that scientists (well all of us...) must keep open minded and not be ignorant about alternatives. Plasma physics, ISM/IGM and Nebulae were parts of Astro-Physics that came a bit short during the lectures. I remember they introduced them to us as hot gas/plasma, but it was more experimental & introductional then theoretical and aimed to understand the formulae behind the description.
Mr. X
2 years ago
Mike the Friendican is now friends with Eros Zabeo


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Mr. X
2 years ago
The future is now for Tumblr on Smh

Karp, who shares a go-get attitude (and, no doubt, insights) with his friend entrepreneur guru Richard Branson, believes Tumblr's success is dependend on treating the platform as a media rather than technology company.

Surprise - if you're a "media" or "new media" or "social media" company - you're officially classified as being in the entertainment industry.
Arto
2 years ago
Those are just code words signalling to the "investment community" that he'll do whatever is necessary to get a decent (say 100:1) return on venture capital put into Tumblr.

As usual, the users are the product, making Karp and the hipster douchebags around him rich (while making the investors even richer). Everyone will win at the end, except the free web.

That is, if everything goes according to plan....
Mr. X
2 years ago
My point was more one of those "doh" moments like when I realised as a musician I wasn't classified as an "artist" but an "entertainer" and this was an eye opener, thinking that as an "artist" I was better than that somewhat demeaning moniker.

I didn't realise this until I was in my mid-forties and managing a musical instruments store - and discovering that just like with my previous employer (AOL/Time-Warner) I was still classified as part of the entertainment "industry".

But communications serves one of two purposes - to inform and/or to entertain. So "we" (meaning Friendica) as well as Facebook and Twitter and everybody else have visions of being "information" and "tech" products but ultimately these systems are used for entertainment. And unless these products continue to entertain the bored (typically American) masses, they typically die.
Mr. X
2 years ago
Friendica Red and Permissions
Some more forward-looking documentation about the Friendica Red project...

For those of you that have been following the previous discussions, the zot protocol will give every communication entity in the decentralised network a unique ID with the ability to communicate securely.

Red, unlike its predecessor Friendica, will only use one protocol stack to communicate - zot.

This opens up some possibilities for interactions which are impossible in Friendica, in particular some very fine-tuned permissions.

The first place you'll see this come into play is with the "make friends" dialogues. In fact, unless we provide a "simple mode" it won't look like a social network "make friends" dialogue at all. It's just a permission system. You will be granting a person some number of permissions - any of which can be removed or revoked.

These will probably include:


[ ] Permission to receive stuff from me (means I will send them stuff)
[ ] Permission to write stuff into my stream
[ ] Permission to write/post/tag stuff to my wall
[ ] Permission to send me private mail

[etc...]

This is actually a superset of all of the "follow" and "share" async friendship models. In order to model the "mutual friends" aspect of traditional social nets an additional option is called for, something like:

[ ] Revoke any of these permissions which are not reciprocated


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In the Private mail subsystem there can also be a range of privacy settings which there is no possibility of implementing in Friendica due to its polymorphic nature

Accept private mail from:

[ ] Those I specifically allow
[ ] People on this website
[ ] Friends of Friends (e.g. if the mutual friend allows them to send mail, so will I)
[ ] Anybody on the network


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I will need help from some of you folks that are UI oriented to find ways of presenting this information in simple dialogues that make sense to anybody. (And then of course making it all work.)

There is a privacy aspect to this... in order to make some of these models work, the permissions assigned to a particular person need to be discoverable and therefore your friends will know precisely where you stand with them. We still will provide a "hidden" contact where this information is not made public, but consequently cannot be used to decide if a person is a friend of a friend.

This may seem to be a bit of a liability, but you will also be able to assign a "closeness" value to anybody you have given permissions to - and this is private to you. So you can give somebody full permissions, but put them out in the fringes and rarely see them, even if they're the "noisy" type. Nobody will know where they stand in terms of "closeness" unless you tell them.

It may also be possible to extend the private mail settings dialogue and re-use it for allowing wall postings and also stream permissions. We'll have to see how this evolves.

In summary, Red is going to be an experiment in redefining the decentralised social network in some very fundamental ways. Many of these features are possible in centralised networks, but providing them in a decentralised network has not (to my knowledge) been done.

Your input is important - especially at this stage when none of this has actually been committed to code. We want to get it right and let you do stuff that can't be done with any social tool today.
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Mr. X
2 years ago
The forum itself more or less applies these permissions to everybody:

[x]Permission to receive stuff from me (means I will send them stuff)
[ ] Permission to write stuff into my stream
[x]Permission to write/post/tag stuff to my wall
[ ] Permission to send me private mail


And for your own interaction with the forum you would allow it to write stuff into your stream as well as permission to receive stuff from you.

Like Friendica today, the members of the forum typically aren't sending you the posts, the forum is - so you don't have to spell the members out individually.

And yeah, the contact edit page is a mess. I want to turn it into an address book and let you see an overview page that (instead of big meaningless pictures) should probably list folks along with various properties, such as visual indicators that this person's comm seems to be dead and/or last post was three weeks ago. Currently you have to navigate pretty far down to find out this stuff and it isn't presented clearly.

And the other nice thing about a global uid is that you can quite easily block somebody.
Mr. X
2 years ago
14TB storage array went out hard. Oh joy.
Simon L'nu doesn't like this.
Mr. X
2 years ago
I'm actually pleased with the current incarnation of zot.  The predecessors had their moments and introduced a few  (I think) brilliant concepts that hopefully will still have their day in the sun. But this time I'm feeling much better about it. I'm not trying to solve the world's communication problems. I'm addressing immediate problems that primarily affect Friendica because Friendica is doing things that nobody else is doing with decentralised communications. They can solve their own bloody problems. Some day when they feel a need to tackle the hard things, they'll find that the trail has already been cleared and the solutions published.
Not all the current thought processes have made it into the doc yet, but they are now a lot more crystalised. Some minor details aside, I know how it's going to work. And I believe it is going to work very well.
Mr. X
2 years ago
nope, that didn't work right.
Mr. X
2 years ago
Need to set some people straight - unfortunately it appears that it will take some time for my account to get approved.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1060966894
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Giaco el vecio
2 years ago
"Thank you for your explanation macgirvin, however, I am now closing this thread as we do not advertise on this forum unless arrangements are made with the webmaster."

:-O

"Good luck with your site." SITE ??? Friendica is a SITE??!?

:-O :-O

I understand the desire to defend friendica Mike, but I sense that on some sites even not worth wasting your breath
:-)
Bruce Bane
2 years ago from The Free Web
● David Icke megapost
It's insane that with all the time and space IC has devoted to conspiracy theories, reptilian shapeshifters, Freemasons, the Illuminati, and the New World Order, we've never dedicated an entire post to the zany theories and massive amounts of media devoted to Mr. David Vaughan Icke. After all, Icke is widely considered the supreme authority (if there is such a thing) on the subject of reptoids and mass mind control...


David Icke & Bill Maher - Conversation from Religulous by BTNH24 on YouTube
Today David Icke runs his own forum where he lets the crazy people of the net write his next book for him.
The internet is for lulz :rofl
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