ouch!

hehe

lol that's pretty funny

@Oliver: Well, it was when I startet to inform me about Friendica the only useful source in German. Very good Work!

@Myrddin Lailoken ... weird, the toktan wiki was basically made just for myself, to remember how to do all this SSH stuff
But it's obviously turned into an "semi"-important information site for german speaking friendica users.
That's pretty cool and a great pleasure.

Without the WIKI in German language on Toktan.org, I would not an own Friendica node now!

@Martin Farrent: I've seen this page. But someone else find this other lingual content? If anyone wants to know what is Friendica, he comes to this site. "OMG is all in English. I'd rather go!". I act so on projects that I not know. And I know people who act this way. A few!

Thanks @Mike

Friendica is MIT license.

Some libraries are LGPL, so if you mess with those (edit source code), then your copy of Friendica is essentially turned into GPL.

Licenses for addons are under the control of the author. Addons may contain GPL and/or AGPL and/or other licenses. If you install addons with copyleft licenses, your copy of Friendica may be subject to these licenses.

thanks

I was thinking about talking about this a bit more to some people I know. I was just wondering the other day about the license, it's not super clear on the website it seems. Regardless I will open a conversation with some people I know (from GNU-Social too), I just wonder if they will bring that question up. In any case I don't have millions of contacts, but I'll do what I can do.

@Myrddin OMG noooo.. I think the lack of marketing people is what makes this project so great.. :]

The posterous plugin is throwing exceptions and killing any later delivery stuff. Highly recommend all sites disable the posterous plugin until we can provide an alternative solution.

Probably related to Posterous being acquired by Twitter recently, as we already know that Twitter is hostile to developers.

Will be checking in an updated plugin which essentially does nothing and returns - for those who cannot see this message.

Friendica is a community effort. People are already offering resources in languages other than English - German and Spanish, for instance. See here: http://friendica.com/resources

I think that we need somebody from marketing.

Have some interesting ideas on improving our native OStatus communications. Basically allow you to decide that you're OK with unknown people sending you posts and mentions. We'd import these as wall-to-wall posts, and your replies would have to be @-user@host, but it might just work. Note this is just for statusnet/identi.ca diehards because you'd be throwing personal control of your social stream completely out the window.  Some of your Friendica friends will likely unfriend you because this could compromise their own stream.

@Paul Taylor , what on earth do you mean? Cops keep stopping me to get my autograph. I'm such a star.

Tear down the dotted line is not an instruction for driving.

Two thoughts I have spent some time in my head.

I've got a few weeks ago this Wikipedia page shows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_social_network Comparison_of_projects
There, I see there are 19 units open Friendica server. For anyone not familiar with the project might think it is a small hobby project. But Friendica is already much more. And the last few weeks I have heard from many of the new nodes. I think it would be good if we had a statistic. How many nodes there are. How many active users there are. And we can see the growth.
Maybe this way a statistic from the user directory to be created? Or a new feature of the friendica-software? Reports every day or every week: I'm here! I have xx active users! Of course, with plenty of privacy. The admin can disable calling home. And no server name at the statistics.

Many people here in Germany speaks English. But many do not speak it well or find it stressful. I think for many normal people can be the foreign language a barrier. It may be that they do not understand the project.
I think it should be on friendica.com better support for multi languages. I think of a page that explains the project, what advantages it has, where you can register. This page should then be translated into as many languages​​. I'm not good at something like this, but maybe people from the community? This page should be easy found when open friendica.com.

Just my thoughts!

On the left?

Right.

In Australia you drive on the left, right?. I need to travel more.....

I know in Australia you drive on the left, did not know that in Australia you drive reverse gear.(Acudit)

hehe, that's cool

embarrassing :blush

I had to test across two instances - so I had to keep blindly checking in, and then go to the other instance and pull it and run it to find the mistakes.

funny changelog,

As you wander about Friendica and visit profiles you may start seeing "xxx friends in common" at the top of profile pages. But the best part is that you may see this when you're not connected to the person - e.g. they're total strangers, and they're also on a completely different site.

Now we're going to start seeing some of the magic of ZRL's, which will help to bond discreet websites into what looks like a single super-huge interactive space - with infinite aspects.

Oookay...not so helpfull, what?

lolz. Someone was lazy and just hit "update all e-billboard on this highway".

The e-billboard this morning was flashing a big warning so I slowed down to read it.

"Accident in Kangaroo Valley. Traffic may be delayed."

The only problem is that Kangaroo Valley was 50km behind me.

Mike is now friends with Jeroen Praat

I'd say make it a plugin. There should probably also be plugins for making the site's TOS and privacy policy. The idea being that a plugin is less likely to be overwritten during an upgrade.

The other idea would be to make it a static page (once installation completes) that is never overwritten.

Mike is now friends with Woop

Thanks Denise...

Marilyn Manson feat. Johnny Depp - You're So Vain by coldstaind1991 on YouTube

@Michael Vogel zot is currently on the drawing board.

We were originally trying to provide something that would eventually allow statusnet,Diaspora, Friendica, and email to eventually merge into one protocol.

I'm trying something considerably less ambitious with zot2.

Currently we use DFRN, which is overweight and overly-complex, though it's pretty reliable and extensible.

@J David Eisenberg - yes, it's called JavaScript.

XML has XSLT, which is an extremely useful tool. Is there something comparable for JSON?

@Mike I guess the best way will be a stable, expandable and non-complex protocol for the transport between friendica servers. To connect with other services it would be best to make additional transports - like XMPP does with its transports.

I don't know how friendica is doing it at the moment. Is the current ZOT trying to do Statusnet, Diaspora and friendica in one protocol?

From the Ruby view point JSON is turning into a kind of standard for the same reasons pointed above - it's easier (and memory and cpu economic) than parsing an XML. Things easy to implement tend to spread faster than the opposite.

@Mike - Points well made. It is a shame that design of these things gets so political. Getting something thats open and actually working is definitely actions speaking louder than words, and for this your efforts really have to be commended! I'm sorry I can't make much practical contributions at this time, but I'm gonna try and keep up to date with your posts with a hope that I can contribute as soon as my personal circumstances allow.

Doubly joy "Firendica Day" and my patron saint San Isidro Labrador. We must sow friendicas.

Looks like Dreamhost's jabber server is the problem. Pointed it at an account on jabber.org and everything started working. Would've been nice to be able to use one of my own domains, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

I'm on Dreamhost with their own hosted ejabberd (but an older version which has no bosh).

(slams head) Didn't think to look at Firebug because I thought things were happening mostly on the server side, but I'll poke around and see what I can discover.

@Fergus McDonald - I'm no longer trying to build a formal data exchange standard.

I'm trying to build a very simple and lightweight, yet secure message passing system with decentralised permission control and also trying to solve our current mobility problem. That's all.

There's no point in trying to obtain concensus with other services that aren't interested in service federation.

I intend for the actual driver to be modular so somebody could drop in an XMPP transport or anything else that works - such as some future OStatus variant that is actually federated and private. I see the cross-service federation problem as one that will take years to solve. Our needs are more immediate.

That said, the specification will be open and as broadly useful as possible. Perhaps some ideas in whole or part might make it into a future standard protocol - or perhaps not.

But I'm only one person working largely without cooperation or assistance, and I'm not arrogant enough to think that I can solve the federated social web's federation problems. These are mostly political, not technical, and they will have to be solved by protocol politicians - which I most certainly am not.

@Mike As you say, JSON is a lot easier to implement, particularly being native to javascript. I guess the one thing XML has is the deeper schema support and control. Does that make it a must-have if you're trying to build formal data exchange standards?

@Mike What does Firebug display? You can see the requests to the proxy or if you don't use one the requests to the BOSH server, including the transmitted XML. Perhaps you can extract some error message from there. Also, what is your service provider?
I still don't know what happens if the service provider requires encryption, and if this does work at all with Jappix Mini. Perhaps this is the cause for some of the errors.

@zottel @Leberwurscht Brot (and others)

Does this summary of the problems make sense?

We have:

1) Issues pertaining to SSL for people who install their own BOSH servers - summed up (and solved) towards the bottom of this document: http://friendica.com/node/29

2) Issues pertaining to whatever function the Jappix built-in proxy has - which probably largely concerns user environment clashing with BOSH server 'quality'.

3) Issues pertaining to misconfiguration of the plugin by users. Example: entering the entire address in the first field instead of only the username component. It should be bob,not bob@server.com. (This is also now addressed in the how-to, with a pic).

4) Issues pertaining to priority settings in clients and plugins used simultaneously (now covered in the doc, too).

5) Issues that proved moot. These pertained to forwarded Jabber addresses like bob@secondname.com - in which secondname doesn't actually specify a real Jabber server (but can be used to do so nevertheless).

@Fergus Parsing XML is a real pita. JSON just needs a single function call - and you have all results as an array.

That's really cool. I did a lot of XML parsing (using the DOM) - it's always interesting. :)